No U’ve been more than helpful. I really appreciate it! Its a process of elimination. Unfortunately I can’t show you console data ‘cuz theres a crazy Adobe error every second and ill have to uninstall the free Trial I’m using but its not expired yet. so i can only do that in 25 days. The Vizzable author says i don’t need to install syphon Its already baked in. I did try it though, no luck yet and it said i must make sure theres a jitter render to to jitter window path. but I’m not into max coding or patching just yet. so I’m gonna go shave off my beard and pic up my guitar for a change and tackle this beast again soon. Thanks Again for the support. it makes me feel much less frustrated.